Cost of clouds, Mosso/Slicehost vs AWS

by Vid Luther on April 2, 2009

in blog, mysql, php, web

Marco Tabini has a great post discussing the cost of the cloud, and the current state of affairs. He calls for a simpler cloud platform, not just in terms of cost, but ease of use and products and services that adapt to changes in the market. Though the $100/month Mosso offering is mentioned (this site is hosted on Mosso), I would like to point out the recent acquisitions by Rackspace/Mosso that make their cloud offerings even more compelling than AWS for me.

  • Slicehost : Rackspace announced the acquisition in late 2008. This allows me to spin up virtual instances or Slicehost’s version of AMI’s called Slices (this was updated due to Ian’s comment below. You cannot migrate an AMI from EC2 to Slicehost). fairly quickly, and cheaply, but more importantly I know what definitively what my costs will be if I know how much bandwidth I’ll be using up.
  • JungleDisk: I think is a good way to get into the consumer space, I’ve told a lot of my friends to use JungleDisk to back up their files, with the obvious caveat to encrypt sensitive information and not to back up your SSN # to the cloud
  • Limelight CDN: I think this is just the static file portion, not the video stuff yet, but it’s pretty neat.

Now acquisitions alone don’t make something worthwhile, it’s what you do with them. I’m not a 100% clear on what the plans are with JungleDisk, but I have seen what they’re doing with Slicehost and Limelight and it’s pretty slick.

If you’re a Mosso customer, you can now enable Cloudfiles and Cloud Servers.

Cloudfiles has in my opinion a much better set of documentation of it’s API, and a much lower barrier to entry. I was literally able to upload content to the system in less than 5 minutes of signing up. You can already use Cyberduck and access the cloud files system via a simple to use FTP client. There’s also a firefox extension. This incidentally highlights the power of open source. I believe the Mosso guys did the development themselves for Cyberduck and contributed the code back, I could be wrong. This is a great equalizer for a player late in the game. S3 is now available as an option on almost every major closed source file transfer application, but getting a company to invest time in your system is hard to do. There has to be a demand, which may not come because there’s no easy way to access your system. So they solved the ease of use problem right off the bat.

Apart from ease of access/adoption, what I really like, is that the incoming bandwidth to cloudfiles is free, if you’re using Mosso. So, if my web front end accepts a file upload, I can take that and upload it to cloudfiles without incurring bandwidth costs. So, now I have a load balanced web server and a fairly low cost CDN available to me under one control panel.

Then, add Cloudservers. Which is basically slicehost, without the bandwidth priced in. And the same rules apply here, any bandwidth to and from Mosso and Cloudservers is complimentary. So now, I can spin up my slices of MySQL, and use my flavor of Linux and my custom MySQL patches, and create my own cluster, or master/slave environment without the need to share resources with the other MySQL users in the cloud. This really gives me the flexibility that other shared hosting providers lack.

Lastly, something you can’t put a price on. Customer Support. Rackspace is truly fanatical about support, they really do give a crap, which is refreshing. What’s awesome is that the same quality of support is available for the Cloud offerings as is for their Managed Hosting customers. I can’t afford managed hosting, and I always thought that sure if I’m paying $500/month for an ok system the support better be good, but for $100/month , virtually unlimited websites and clients, and I get the same level of professional/non script reading support? Why should I waste time trying anything else? I have no idea who or what to call or email to when it comes to AWS.

Disclaimer: I think my last paragraph sounds like a marketing gimmick, so.. I’ve edited it a few times, but seriously, in this economy, and even in better economies, customer service is key, and these guys should run a customer service university for other tech companies.

Thanks to a comment by John Frank of Amazon in the comments below. There is indeed a way to get 24/7 support. AWS has had 24/7 phone and email support for quite some time: http://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/#overview

I’d like to know who else you think is a major player for the consumer/bootstrap businesses out there as well as enterprises. I’ll be following this post up with a set of tools I use, to make my life in the cloud easier. I’d like to know what you use as well, applications, code libraries, etc.

If you’re considering using Mosso, I suggest you read Snipe’s Notes they are extremely well written and informative, and a coupon for two months free :) .

  • True Story
    Why would anyone in their right mind use a company (Rackspace) which claims fanatical support and the utmost security and send the root password to their customer via email? Fanatical stupidy and head in the clould is more fitting in my opinion.
  • John,
    I'd love to compare, but I don't have the funds to do a test over several months.
  • John
    Mediatemple offers solid plans, at reasonable prices and a great cPanel off their grid service.

    just fyi


    would like you to compare mediatemple with slicehost/mosso/others...!
  • Jeff
    "and a coupon for two months free "...could not find this coupon you mentioned, only the $50 discount on first month.
  • Hey, just a heads up, as I’m sure many are interested in an easy way to manage their Cloud Files containers and objects .. especially, when you’d like to have more than one user but do not want to give them access to your whole admin panel!! Jungle Disk ROCKS for backups, etc.. but we needed a way to create sub accounts, assign containers, etc..

    *****
    Cloud9 is a new web-based service that allows users, or Web Designers/Programmers to manage their Cloud Files more easily. It’s accessible, secure and fast. Basically, it improves upon the Mosso Cloud Files manager in these ways:

    1) Multiple file uploads!! Up to 20 at a time! No more waiting, file after file, or trying to teach your clients how to use Cyberduck/FireUploader, et al.

    2) You can create unlimited ‘user’ accounts and give them access only to containers you assign to them. Unlimited Users, Unlimited Containers.

    3) You, as the admin, stay in complete control over the users, containers, objects (files), etc. You have global read/write/delete access.

    4) Each user can manage their own objects (files), upload/delete, etc. as well as add containers to their user account without intervention from the admin

    5) It’s super easy for you and your clients to use.

    6) The each file name listed in a container is pre-linked to the file, so using the URL for that file is as easy as, Right Click, Copy Link!

    So, be sure to check it out.. it’s pre-launch time and everything is getting the file check off for the launch date… We’ll be issuing a limited number of FREE accounts during the beta phase. After which, the service will start a little above that Venti Mocha Frap you had last week, and have plans for different usage limits :)

    Cloud9 Website
  • Andy,
    I think so yes. The more choices you provide your customers the better. They can then decide who they want to use. Jungledisk will be supporting both. The benefit for Jungledisk using Cloud files is that I don't need to remember two separate logins, or accounts.

    Under my mosso account, I have the CloudFiles sub account. So, with that in place I get one bill.
  • Would you think a new CloudBerry online backup should support CloudFiles in addition to Amazon S3?
  • Thank you, Vid for the recognition. We’re totally committed to service -- we strive to be one of the best service companies, not just a technology company. Fanatical Support is part of our DNA, and our culture.

    I agree, support matters in the Cloud as it matters in traditional hosting. Technology will solve a lot of problems, but not all. Technology is still complex and customers do not want to be left to their own devices in trying to figure it all out. They want a trusted partner that they can lean on when they need help. We see ourselves as that partner. Part of Fanatical Support for us is not only supporting you, but also offering you the right products, with the right user experience, that fit your needs whether they are Cloud products, or dedicated products, or even hybrid solutions.

    For those that may not have experienced Fanatical Support as Vid did, do you recall a single peak experience at a restaurant that combined fantastic “menu items” with unbelievable customer service that made it totally stand out? You enthusiastically tell friends. It works in the restaurant business, and it works in high tech...That’s the “bull’s-eye” we aim for at The Rackspace Cloud… Thanks Vid!

    Feel free to reach out to me anytime at emil.sayegh@rackspace.com

    Emil Sayegh
    General Manager
    Mosso | The Rackspace Cloud
  • John,
    Thanks for the link to the support pricing, I was aware of the premium services, but I wasn't sure what price point got me Premium services. Also, thanks for making the point for me. That page doesn't make it clear as to what I have to do to get this 24x7 support.

    Do I need to spend $100/month on AWS and I automatically get Silver support? Or does that just qualify me for a discount on Silver support?

    Thanks for the link, and thanks for making my point for me. You guys (Amazon) offer a great service, and thanks for it, but customer service in AWS is not a priority for you, it's an add on, which means it's an afterthought.
  • Ian,
    I used the term AMI, for people who are familiar with EC2, but thanks for the clarification.
  • John Frank
    "I have no idea who or what to call or email to when it comes to AWS."

    AWS has had 24/7 phone and email support for quite some time: http://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/#overview

    You are right - it *does* sound like a marketing gimmick. You should check your facts before trying to slam a competitor.
  • ian
    Hate to nitpick, but you cannot spin up Amazon Machine Images (AMIs) on Mosso. Wrong terminology. Please feel free to to not publish this comment.
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