Comments on: Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn! Interviewing techniques for the rest of us http://thirdpartycode.com/2008/05/frankly-my-dear-i-dont-give-a-damn-interviewing-techniques-for-the-rest-of-us/ Linux, PHP 5, Apache Consulting in San Antonio, TX Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:40:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Mark http://thirdpartycode.com/2008/05/frankly-my-dear-i-dont-give-a-damn-interviewing-techniques-for-the-rest-of-us/comment-page-1/#comment-239 Mark Thu, 22 May 2008 08:45:43 +0000 http://www.phpcult.com/blog/?p=156#comment-239 Haha, you used to be passionate right Kunz? Haha, you used to be passionate right Kunz?

]]> By: Mike Lively http://thirdpartycode.com/2008/05/frankly-my-dear-i-dont-give-a-damn-interviewing-techniques-for-the-rest-of-us/comment-page-1/#comment-234 Mike Lively Tue, 20 May 2008 18:16:26 +0000 http://www.phpcult.com/blog/?p=156#comment-234 I don't know.....I've met alot of passionate idiots in my day... I don’t know…..I’ve met alot of passionate idiots in my day…

]]> By: Beware the Lone Wolf PHP Developer by Rich Zygler at boringguys.com http://thirdpartycode.com/2008/05/frankly-my-dear-i-dont-give-a-damn-interviewing-techniques-for-the-rest-of-us/comment-page-1/#comment-232 Beware the Lone Wolf PHP Developer by Rich Zygler at boringguys.com Tue, 20 May 2008 09:48:42 +0000 http://www.phpcult.com/blog/?p=156#comment-232 [...] all the posts on interviewing PHP candidates popping up lately, I thought I’d post this draft that I’ve been sitting on for awhile [...] [...] all the posts on interviewing PHP candidates popping up lately, I thought I’d post this draft that I’ve been sitting on for awhile [...]

]]> By: Christopher Kunz http://thirdpartycode.com/2008/05/frankly-my-dear-i-dont-give-a-damn-interviewing-techniques-for-the-rest-of-us/comment-page-1/#comment-238 Christopher Kunz Mon, 19 May 2008 22:19:14 +0000 http://www.phpcult.com/blog/?p=156#comment-238 <strong>Uh, dudes? Check your medication before you interview....</strong> Just by accident (you should never browse your feed reader directly before going to bed), I stumbled upon an incredibly self-ironic posting in some dude’s blog. I have to ask myself: What are you guys taking? Are you seriously discussing any kind... Uh, dudes? Check your medication before you interview….

Just by accident (you should never browse your feed reader directly before going to bed), I stumbled upon an incredibly self-ironic posting in some dude’s blog. I have to ask myself: What are you guys taking? Are you seriously discussing any kind…

]]> By: Christopher Kunz http://thirdpartycode.com/2008/05/frankly-my-dear-i-dont-give-a-damn-interviewing-techniques-for-the-rest-of-us/comment-page-1/#comment-237 Christopher Kunz Mon, 19 May 2008 22:10:23 +0000 http://www.phpcult.com/blog/?p=156#comment-237 You guys seriously need to get a grip. Really. The PHP I knew was not about fanboy-dom, but about making a language better or at least developing better tools using a language. What you propagate has NOTHING to do with being any good at what you are actually interviewing for. NOTHING. ZILCH. ZERO. But then again, I'm just an old timer who doesn't know half of the newbies who are now "PHP Gurus". You guys seriously need to get a grip. Really. The PHP I knew was not about fanboy-dom, but about making a language better or at least developing better tools using a language. What you propagate has NOTHING to do with being any good at what you are actually interviewing for. NOTHING. ZILCH. ZERO.
But then again, I’m just an old timer who doesn’t know half of the newbies who are now “PHP Gurus”.

]]> By: Vidyut Luther http://thirdpartycode.com/2008/05/frankly-my-dear-i-dont-give-a-damn-interviewing-techniques-for-the-rest-of-us/comment-page-1/#comment-236 Vidyut Luther Mon, 19 May 2008 21:37:36 +0000 http://www.phpcult.com/blog/?p=156#comment-236 @anru: It looks like somehow things got lost in translation. I am definitely not all about work, I do like to do other things, when the the time is right. If we're close to a deadline, I expect longer hours. When the work is low, I like to spend time with friends, and more often than not I have made very good long time friends with the people I worked with, because I enjoy life with them. I'll choose my words more carefully next time, I think my intention is not coming through . @anru: It looks like somehow things got lost in translation.

I am definitely not all about work, I do like to do other things, when the the time is right. If we’re close to a deadline, I expect longer hours. When the work is low, I like to spend time with friends, and more often than not I have made very good long time friends with the people I worked with, because I enjoy life with them.

I’ll choose my words more carefully next time, I think my intention is not coming through .

]]> By: anru http://thirdpartycode.com/2008/05/frankly-my-dear-i-dont-give-a-damn-interviewing-techniques-for-the-rest-of-us/comment-page-1/#comment-231 anru Mon, 19 May 2008 21:18:05 +0000 http://www.phpcult.com/blog/?p=156#comment-231 copy from Vidyut Luther "I don’t work well with others who will leave at 5pm on the dot, or who just a paycheck, I work a lot, and if I’m going to spend a lot of time working with you, I better be able to stand you. Or you better be extremely prolific, and good." your attitude is soooooo bad. if you are a manager in your company, i know that company must a totalitarian style company. mate , have a passion to do something is a privilege for you, but please be nice to you team member who just want a paycheck, and do not use passionate or "fit in" as a execute to fire your team member. show some love for life. copy from Vidyut Luther
“I don’t work well with others who will leave at 5pm on the dot, or who just a paycheck, I work a lot, and if I’m going to spend a lot of time working with you, I better be able to stand you. Or you better be extremely prolific, and good.”

your attitude is soooooo bad. if you are a manager in your company, i know that company must a totalitarian style company.

mate , have a passion to do something is a privilege for you, but please be nice to you team member who just want a paycheck, and do not use passionate or “fit in” as a execute to fire your team member.

show some love for life.

]]> By: Martin Fjordvald http://thirdpartycode.com/2008/05/frankly-my-dear-i-dont-give-a-damn-interviewing-techniques-for-the-rest-of-us/comment-page-1/#comment-235 Martin Fjordvald Mon, 19 May 2008 17:24:17 +0000 http://www.phpcult.com/blog/?p=156#comment-235 The distinction you guys fail to notice is that Hasin isn't just looking for PHP programmers, he's looking for people who care about the language enough to know who's who in the community and to keep updated on the latest news and progress. He's not arguing that passion equals a competent programmer, but it does equal someone who's at the very least willing to learn and explores all the aspects of PHP as opposed to someone who prefers to just do his job based on his knowledge and then go home. I'd much rather work with the passionate type than the paycheck type. Skill wise the guy who loves to fish could be better than the guy who loves PHP; but at the end of the day I'd still rather spar with the passionate guy. The distinction you guys fail to notice is that Hasin isn’t just looking for PHP programmers, he’s looking for people who care about the language enough to know who’s who in the community and to keep updated on the latest news and progress.

He’s not arguing that passion equals a competent programmer, but it does equal someone who’s at the very least willing to learn and explores all the aspects of PHP as opposed to someone who prefers to just do his job based on his knowledge and then go home.

I’d much rather work with the passionate type than the paycheck type. Skill wise the guy who loves to fish could be better than the guy who loves PHP; but at the end of the day I’d still rather spar with the passionate guy.

]]> By: Vidyut Luther http://thirdpartycode.com/2008/05/frankly-my-dear-i-dont-give-a-damn-interviewing-techniques-for-the-rest-of-us/comment-page-1/#comment-230 Vidyut Luther Mon, 19 May 2008 15:23:32 +0000 http://www.phpcult.com/blog/?p=156#comment-230 @Dave: True, I'm sure there are other people at the bar we could talk about, Rasmus isn't female, so yes.. talking all night about him would make not want to go to the bar either :). But, you got the point :). But, I do not use passion as a means to filter out candidates, I use it to see how they will fit the team. Usually, if someone is only passionate about technology, I like to find out why, and possibly help them find other things they can be passionate about. I don't expect a candidate to open up to me on day 1, and tell me he's passionate about furries, or manga, or whatever, but usually you can tell when someone has passion/drive in their eyes, vs someone who just wants a paycheck. I don't work well with others who will leave at 5pm on the dot, or who just a paycheck, I work a lot, and if I'm going to spend a lot of time working with you, I better be able to stand you. Or you better be extremely prolific, and good. @Dave: True, I’m sure there are other people at the bar we could talk about, Rasmus isn’t female, so yes.. talking all night about him would make not want to go to the bar either :) . But, you got the point :) .

But, I do not use passion as a means to filter out candidates, I use it to see how they will fit the team. Usually, if someone is only passionate about technology, I like to find out why, and possibly help them find other things they can be passionate about. I don’t expect a candidate to open up to me on day 1, and tell me he’s passionate about furries, or manga, or whatever, but usually you can tell when someone has passion/drive in their eyes, vs someone who just wants a paycheck.

I don’t work well with others who will leave at 5pm on the dot, or who just a paycheck, I work a lot, and if I’m going to spend a lot of time working with you, I better be able to stand you. Or you better be extremely prolific, and good.

]]> By: Vidyut Luther http://thirdpartycode.com/2008/05/frankly-my-dear-i-dont-give-a-damn-interviewing-techniques-for-the-rest-of-us/comment-page-1/#comment-229 Vidyut Luther Mon, 19 May 2008 15:18:01 +0000 http://www.phpcult.com/blog/?p=156#comment-229 @Mark: You're speaking the choir here, well at least with me :). I agree, passion alone is not the reason to hire or fire someone, unless it's passion of the carnal kind :). I use passion as a way to figure out how they would fit in the company/work better. If they tell me they're passionate about fishing, they can still be an excellent programmer, but now I know something more about this person and I can team him up with someone else who likes fishing, or introduce them to soemone else at work who likes fishing. This works as a great way to break the ice, if and when the person comes to a new job. Going back to Hasin's post, if you do know who Rasmus, Gosling, Aker, Starkey/Rossum.. whoever else are, that just indicates you're interested in the history of of the language, or you have a lot of time to read slashdot. By no means, does passion equate to competence. Passion is just a few dials away from zealotry, and I know a lot of zealots who are horrible sysadmins and programmers.. but really are passionate about the OS/Language that they go crusade for. Generic answers like "I'm passionate about PHP/Perl/Python/Ruby/Linux/Customers" usually don't help the candidates cause either. @Mark: You’re speaking the choir here, well at least with me :) . I agree, passion alone is not the reason to hire or fire someone, unless it’s passion of the carnal kind :) .

I use passion as a way to figure out how they would fit in the company/work better. If they tell me they’re passionate about fishing, they can still be an excellent programmer, but now I know something more about this person and I can team him up with someone else who likes fishing, or introduce them to soemone else at work who likes fishing. This works as a great way to break the ice, if and when the person comes to a new job. Going back to Hasin’s post, if you do know who Rasmus, Gosling, Aker, Starkey/Rossum.. whoever else are, that just indicates you’re interested in the history of of the language, or you have a lot of time to read slashdot.

By no means, does passion equate to competence. Passion is just a few dials away from zealotry, and I know a lot of zealots who are horrible sysadmins and programmers.. but really are passionate about the OS/Language that they go crusade for.

Generic answers like “I’m passionate about PHP/Perl/Python/Ruby/Linux/Customers” usually don’t help the candidates cause either.

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